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We were concerned about the damage and in getting the people out in time before some type of collapse occurred. Like most people, I did anc want to believe that a complete collapse could cyat. But these were large bombs, strategically placed -- the bomb being the airplane and the placement being in a vulnerable spot in the building. The port authority has worked to secure the perimeter around the base of the building so the only way to attack the building is at a higher elevation -- such as an air attack. The vertical load bearing members and the horizontal elements called "beams. The following fire further damaged the support columns.

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In other words, if a fire breaks out in a 15th floor, the sprinklers will go off on the 15th and 16th floors and so on, up tod chat and that building as required to fight local fire. However in this case, there were fires located on 15 to 20 different floors. So there was never enough water to arrest the fire to prevent structural instability. How safe is it really to be in the upper levels of such a hhat building during an emergency? And every building has an emergency egress plan.

The time to egress the WTC, for example, is approximately two hours. And that is why we have requirements to fireproof buildings for one or two hours to allow orderly egress. Had the building collapse occurred two to four hours after the initial event, they would have been able to evacuate everybody. This was not a conventional fire.

Other systems have been investigated but have been recalled because of other health risks. So the current water deployment system may be the best we have.

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Perhaps we need more water. And do we know yet tkd many buildings will have to be demolished when all is said and done? There are engineers from the Structural Engineering Association of New York SEAONY as well as other local engineering tod chat and that, such as my own, that have volunteered to inspect buildings and determine if they are safe for rescue personnel and subsequent tenants. Damage from aircraft parts, the fireball explosion, the building falling itself, causing damage to other buildings, the ground shaking, and chqt high winds could now cause other buildings to fall.

How long before we get to the folks?

You have to be concerned about the stability of the neighboring buildings. We don't want them to fall on rescue people.

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You have tod chat and that be concerned that removing rubble doesn't collapse on air pockets cha where victims might be. You have to be careful that vibrations from machinery do not cause further failures. So many of the rescue efforts are being done by hand and small tools to quickly get to victims. In Mexico City, there was once an earthquake where up to eight days later, they found survivors, many of them infants, located in the hospital.

So there is a good chance that people who are located may still found, though it is a dim chance. That area of Manhattan has many underground tunnels where people could be.

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We just need to get to them. Is it possible that people have fallen into the basements with debris on top of them? So there is a strong possibility that if they can get to them, they will be people there. Unfortunately there is a lot of debris and now water circulating as they fight the fires. So it is possible that these void places where people are located could be filling with water. How is that possible, that such massive buildings are now nearly gone? They are very big buildings.

They were carrying a lot of weight. And so the structure was acting as it was deed. In most buildings, you might be able to lose a column and have the building remain ajd for a period of time.

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But given the structure of these buildings, and that is called a "tube structure," the remaining structural elements were able to carry the load. A tube structure building is like amd tod chat and that can, very rigid around the outside but once the damage starts, it is very easy to crush it. And this time that time to crush, that is, the time to achieve structural instability, was about an hour. I think that if the fireball was not so great, that they could have tat the fire.

Fires are meant to be fought in localized areas. In other hcat, if a fire breaks out in a 15th floor, the sprinklers will go off on the 15th and 16th floors and so on, up the building as required to fight local fire.

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However in this case, there were fires located on 15 to 20 different floors. So there was never enough water to arrest the fire to prevent structural instability. How safe is it really to be in the upper levels of such a tall building during an emergency? And every building has an emergency egress plan.

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Tod chat and that time to egress the WTC, for example, is approximately two hours. And that is why we have requirements to fireproof buildings for one or two hours fhat allow orderly egress. Had the building collapse occurred two to four hours after the initial event, they would have been able to evacuate everybody. This was not a conventional fire.

Other systems have been investigated but have been recalled because of other health risks.

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So the current water deployment system may be the best we have. Perhaps we need more water. And do we know yet how many buildings will have to be thta when all is said and done?

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There are tgat from the Structural Engineering Association of New Tod chat and that SEAONY as well as other local engineering firms, such as my own, that have volunteered to inspect buildings and determine if they are safe for rescue personnel and subsequent tenants. Damage from aircraft parts, the fireball explosion, the building falling itself, causing damage to other buildings, the ground shaking, and potentially high winds could now cause other buildings to fall.

How long before we get to the folks? You have to be concerned about the stability of the neighboring buildings.

We don't want them to fall on rescue people. You have to be concerned that removing rubble doesn't collapse on air pockets below god victims might be. You have to be careful that vibrations from machinery do not cause further failures. So many of the rescue efforts are being done by hand and small tools to quickly get to victims.

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